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August 19, 2008

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Shane

Love your blog. Curious if you'd detail where you have saved money over the years. Not which stocks or funds, but more about how to save money strategically outside of tax-deferred vehicles like 401s and the like. Most tips seem to be about maxing those out but you're many years away from touching them and I would love to hear more about where you put money that you can access in the hear and now.

Early Retirement Extreme

Generally the same places as 401k and IRAs. Just don't tick the IRA/401k option on the application. Personally, I have a few mutual funds in taxable accounts (HSGFX and DODFX are my main positions). I got most other savings invested in 15 different stocks with an online broker (scottrade). My cash position is very small relatively speaking (probably around 5%).

Rosie

Great post! This is such a helpful expansion on the great discussion over at ERE. Thanks Syd!

Retired Syd

@Shane I agree with Jacob at ERE that I didn't really distinguish between my retirement accounts and those that were outside of retirement. I generally followed an overall allocation, without a whole lot of thought of which accounts to invest with before- or after- tax dollars. (Although, when I had many years to go before retirement, I generally held the bond portion in my retirement accounts so that the ordinary income (higher-tax rate income) was held in tax-deferred accounts.) As I got closer to retirement, I made sure I liquidated some mutual funds (non-retirement accounts) over those years, so that I would have 3 years' living expenses in cash when I retired.

Sylvia B

I'm one of those folks who is lucky enough to be retiring on a pension. I'm going to have 60% of my current income to live on. Thing is, lots of folks say that 60% will be more like 75% because I'll be paying less income tax (here in Canada, I'm in a 45% tax bracket ... if you're American, please don't gasp!) but nobody's really able to give me hard numbers so I'm still waiting to see what happens after I retire in October. I am worried a bit but I guess I'll have to figure it out when the time comes.

HIB

Great post! I am currently 30 and would like to retire by 40. I have a lot of work to do!
Thanks!
-HIB

Retired Syd

@HIB--thanks for stopping by!

Dan

Hey Syd,

Your neighbor from down the street. I've done similar calculations but have decided 2% or 2.5% withdrawal rate is more sustainable. (ie, multiple of 50 or 40)

One thing you didn't discuss is the amount of money left after you die -- $0, inflation adjusted starting amount, or something in between.

Retired Syd

Hey Dan from down the street! Well I'm assuming zero at the end (and hoping I've calculated the end pretty accurately!) But with two kids, you would probably want something to be left at the end, I suppose!

Dividend Growth Investor

The 4% solution is mainly for a 50/50 or 75/25 stock/bond portfolio allocation.

I am a bigger supporter of living off the cashflows from your portfolio. In the current market environment where most stocks yield 3% or more and you could find CD's yielding more than 5%, you could easily create an income stream of at least 4% annually that has a lower risk of decreasing.. Furthermore there is a high chance that your dividend income stream will increase over time, above the rate of inflation

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