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Cindi

If you look in a health care book for humans, you will see that human beings can get a lot of awful diseases and other calamities. But in reality, how many diseases does one human actually get, in the scale of things? Not much.
After many years of angst, I put my beach house up for rental BUT I used a high-powered rental agent-to-the celebrities to find me a tenant. Within two days I had THEE most perfect tenant I could have dreamed of. This couple has the most perfect lifestyle one can only envy. Much like a love worn paperback novel! Since my time line is I need to rent for five years, they wanted a five year lease. I'm only doing it one year at a time. Anyway, I was back last week because some work has to be done and my beach house looked BETTER than when I lived there for 9 years! UGH! My tenants planted, reseeded, mowed, howed, scrubbed, painted, interior designed and are as happy as two clams in a half-shell! In other words Syd, it worked out fine (despite my worries). We had 14 trees removed before they moved in. Now, we're putting in a new septic, new washer & dryer and boy oh boy do I love those nice rental checks coming in. It made it possible for DH to retire ahead of schedule!
Your best bet is to use a well regarded rental agent to rent out your property. Our insurance costs went down after we rented because insurance companies like when some human is living in the place full time. My tenants will be here in the summer and winter in St. Martins on and off. My tenants husband was born in Paris and is the most handsome man I have ever seen. Plus his accent! Ooh la la. They have a great life and they made my home a wonderful place to be! Plus, they are paying all my costs!
Everyone has advised me to never, never sell my beach house because it can never, never be replaced. And they are right. It took me a long time to make up my mind (a year) but now that it's done, I am happy with my decision.
You never know how life will be until you take a chance. A risk. Just like you do in the stock market.
Good luck!
PS: hire an agent and sleep at night. Put the deed under an incorporated business name and get on with it!

Retired Syd

Cindi: All very logical advice but I think I learned it's not for me. Maybe I'll come around five years from now like you did with the stock market.

scott

Being a landlord is easy until something goes wrong and something always goes wrong. Enjoy those good nights of sleep!

Angela

Sydney, you are too funny!
I've been pondering the old landlord scenario lately, myself. But I'm going to learn from your experiences and put that on the back burner as well.
Thanks for the great story! And thanks for saving me from a ton of stomach aches!

Retired Syd

Angela: Well like I said, millions of people rent homes every day without event (see Cindi above). But if you're a Nervous Nellie like me, maybe it's not the job for you either.

Linda vaughn

I love this blog! Im always delighted when a posting occurs...

Retired Syd

Linda: Well I'm always delighted when I get a comment like that!

Barb

Never Again! While we did not rent out home out as a vacation house, we did rent our home while we were overseas with the state department as we did not know if there would be a return to the DC area. Never, ever, ever again. Not just no, but no way, no how!

The thought makes my head hurt.

Retired Syd

Barb: Sounds like there's a story there. Now I'm curious . . .

Dominic

Syd
I have an appliance business I'm Phila and we
Emailed a couple of times. I have over 30 rental
units, none are which my home or shore home.
I have a realtor do all my credit checks and total
screening of the new tenants. I never have any
problems. My advice is never rent anything that
you live in . My wife or I would never want others
sleeping in our beds or using our house .
This is why I buy rental properties for the purpose
of not worrying about me having to live there
after they move out. Although I have higher end
units and these folks really take care of them.
I'm gonna retire and live off these buildings.
And by the way I'm at the point where I have
people do all the repairs.
Very easy business if done properly.
Dominic

Retired Syd

Dominic: There is definitely something more unsettling about renting out your own residence. But you'd think with all the home-exchanging I do that wouldn't be a problem for me. Somehow that doesn't feel the same as renting it out to total strangers--home exchangers kind of feel like they are your friends. And we never hesitate to lend our house to friends. But I think you're right, if you're not emotionally attached to the property it's an easier proposition.

JF

From one ex-landlord to another, congratulations. I had similar reactions and issues. The sale of my rental was a great day even though the cash flow was pretty good over the rental life (positive). The psychic cost was too high.

retireby40

Oh wow, that's too much stress for you. At least you know now and you can get rid of the place. :)
We're still have a couple of rental properties. It's a little stressful, but I can handle it for now. I think once we're more financially secure, we'll probably get rid of everything. Being a landlord is a lot of work and it's stressful.
My wife definitely doesn't like it.

Sandy Qusiepen

Hi Syd, I enjoyed reading your blog and I have been following you for awhile! I live in expensive Singapore and I am an early retiree. I do have a small apartment which I rent out here, and though our tax laws are different, I can identify with your issues. Funding retirement lifestyle with investments is what I do. Warm regards, Sandy.

fred doe

Syd: Glad to hear those earthquakes did not effect you. You are always thoughtful when things happen to other people in regions as with Sandy sorry I did not e-mail. As far as landlords go I thing if your going to be one maybe it should be commercial property. That's just my opinion. You are a young 50 something but in 10 years would you sell the house your in and settle in the Napa location? The picture looks charming.

Juhli

I would be the same way but am happy to be the airbnb renter! Never said I had perfect internal consistency. We just came home after renting a house in Pasadenda for a week through airbnb. I talked quite a bit to the lovely landlady and she did mention that airbnb was covering the entire cost of those renters who wouldn't leave and had great insurance for landlords. Some people can roll with uncertainty better than others.

Retired Syd

Juhli: Yes, Airbnb did step up and cover the cost of those renters and all the legal fees, but that was after the landlord went to the SF Chronicle and got some public pressure put on them. Originally they said she was on her own. Not sure I would have thought to go to the papers--good for her!

Financial Samurai

Syd,

You're such a good writer. Thanks for sharing your story. So are you basically leaving the home empty now? Maybe you should just keep it for a long time, as I just had a nice convo w/ a tech CEO who said that ALL his friends are buying in Napa. "The new Hamptons of SF" he said!

Makes a lot of sense. RWC is quite warm, and I would think there's no need to drive 2 hours to feel warm weather any longer. I go down there once a month for my consulting gig. Love iDumplings near the station!

My rental is in Tahoe, with a management company. Man, the commission is a lot, but I feel good not having to worry about finding tenants.

Cheers,

Sam

Retired Syd

Sam:

Even though we don't use the house that much, it is never empty for long. Friends and family use it often and we also use it for home-exchanges. So it is used--just not enough by us to really justify the expenses.

I'm not so sure Napa is the new Hamptons though--the market still seems pretty slow up there. But I hope he's right!

You are right to use a management company despite the cost--Tahoe's a little far to manage that easily yourself.

Thanks for your comment--I'll have to try iDumplings.

Sunny

We ended up renting this summer in Glen Ellen (since you couldn't houseswap in Mexico City :) It was a hippy commune sort of place, growing marijuana on the premises, hot tub, everything you would want in such a place. ha ha $800 for 3 nights. Perhaps the rules are not readily enforced or they are different for Sonoma county? You should also try the restaurant Yeti - very good Indian/Nepalese food!

Retired Syd

Sunny: Actually you can do it legally in Sonoma if you get a permit, which isn't that hard to do. They are more enlightened in Sonoma I guess.

Bob Lowry

My wife and I owned four rental homes in the Phoenix area for several years about 12 years ago. We sold them all after two of the four had tenants from hell (all carefully screened and vetted ahead of time) that left thousands of dollars in damage each.

Like you I had just retired and found the stress and hassle even worse than during my working years. We pocketed the money, learned from the experience, and will never be landlords again.

Retired Syd

Bob: Thanks for that and welcome home!

Rin Porter

Loved your story about almost being a landlord. I've just discovered your blog and I know I'll enjoy it. I am a one-house landlord with a place in Mesa that has never made enough money to pay the expenses. Sigh.

Please visit my retirement blog when you get a chance. www.thingscouldbeworse.org.

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